From Ego to Eco with Rafaela Rolim
Hello, and welcome to the Impactors Podcast where we explore topics of leadership, inner development, hope, and sustainability with the aim to inspire millennial female leaders to be impactful because the world needs more women leaders. Hosted by me, Genevieve Hodge, leadership coach and inner development goals ambassador. I can't wait to share this exciting show with you today. Hello, and welcome, Raffaella, Rolyem. I have all the way from Brazil.
GenevieveHodge:Welcome to the Impactors Podcast, Raffaella. And tell us, where are you now, and is that backdrop a real backdrop?
Rafaela Rolim:Yes. So I chose it because, I mean, the beautiful island of Florianopolis in the South Of Brazil. That's where I live. It's not a real one, but, it represents the beauty of where I'm sitting.
GenevieveHodge:Right now, I'm in Italy, and I've got a very gray skies and very cold outside. I would much prefer to be there on the beach with you having a caipirinha or something.
Rafaela Rolim:Yes. It's the right moment to be here this summer.
GenevieveHodge:I would like to read a little bio about you. So thank you so much. You know, I know Raffaella because we both studied the ambassador training for the inner development goals in Escaret. Rafael is the cofounder of Brazilian Experience and the IDX I inner development experiences. She currently also serves as the global co coordinator of the IDG hubs and networks.
GenevieveHodge:As a social entrepreneur in the field of human development and international education, Raffaella brings over eighteen years of experience in designing transformative journeys and fostering human development. She considers herself an inner development goals enthusiast, having initiated the IDG hub in Florianopolis, Brazil, and has been hosting immersive leadership experiences inspired by the IDG. Wonderful to have you here. Thank you so much for coming.
Rafaela Rolim:Thank you. Thank you for the invitation.
GenevieveHodge:Okay. So I sent you some questions, and I thought it would be really, really interesting to hear what you're going to say about this. The first one is what inspired you to take action and create impact, and what was the pivotal moment that sparked your journey?
Rafaela Rolim:Wow. Those are powerful questions. Maybe I would like to start from the second one. Yeah. What sparked me in my journey?
Rafaela Rolim:So I'm in this path of human development trainings and my own inner development since 02/2014. That's when I joined the first training in this field. And I remember exactly the year after that, 02/2015, I received a group of international students here in Brazil. So that's part of my professional background. For the past eighteen years, I I received foreigners in Brazil for exchange programs.
Rafaela Rolim:And this group was a group of social work students. And so I designed an experience for them where we visited prison, a drug addict hospital, homeless shelter, and several projects related to social work because the goal was for them to understand their profession and how it is in Brazil. And for me, as a middle class person in Brazil, I had access to going abroad and doing my high school exchange in The US. And so I felt that through this program that I designed for them, I stepped out of my bubble because I've never had contact with such a reality of seeing the conditions that people are in the prison, seeing what leads youth, like 16 years old teenagers, to go to a drug addict hospital. I remember it was really sad, like, to see how they were itching themselves because they were out of drugs, and it touched me so deeply that it was a really big, moment in my life organizing this experience.
Rafaela Rolim:Those students left Brazil crying. They were so touched as me from the experience. And that's when I said, I want to do more of these, you know, create impactful experiences where people can understand the challenge there are there, having contact with information about poverty, inequality, violence, but from a heart level where they can really experience and see that behind this data that we see on the news, there are human beings that are going through those challenges. This was a really, really, really, like, impactful experience for me, and that's when I really started to take those trainings to be able to facilitate such reflections. So, this was, something that touched me very much.
Rafaela Rolim:But I remember since I was at university, I already had this concern about sustainability. My project, for my graduation was about implementing sustainability inside the hospitality field. I remember that I created this program on how to use water, collect water from the rain, and how to recycle paper. So I already had that calling, that concern about sustainability, but it only increased with my own personal development. The more I got into those trainings and reflected about the legacy I want to leave in the world, the more concerned and the more engaged I became with, sustainability.
GenevieveHodge:Wow. That I I think it is so interesting to hear your experience because, you know, I don't know what you know of my story, but I had my epiphany or my awakening in Rio De Janeiro when I was living there, which I know is not Florianopolis, but it's, you know, it's not it's the same country at least. And I too was having a beautiful experience teaching English there. I had a very comfortable life, but then I started to notice the inequalities there and some poverty and the social injustice. And then I had a a phone call with my grandmother because I also worked in hospitality too.
GenevieveHodge:I worked in hotels before. I used to work in cruise ships and things like that. And it was my grandmother that said, Genevieve, why would you wanna serve those that can serve themselves? She asked me that question while I was living in Rio, and it changed the trajectory of my whole life because Wow. I then changed from service and hotel management to service.
GenevieveHodge:I got into leadership development for social change, which is, you know, you'll
Rafaela Rolim:need quite
GenevieveHodge:a lot in common there. It's so interesting.
Rafaela Rolim:And Yeah. I didn't know this background in hospitality.
GenevieveHodge:Yeah. And and how amazing that you were then developing those immersive experiences for foreigners, but it was you that transformed through the process. That is
Rafaela Rolim:so cool. And every time I design an experience, I also learn a lot. I'm also visiting new places when I'm leading the students. Yeah. Right?
Rafaela Rolim:And through their reflection and collecting their reflections, I'm also reflecting. Yes. I'm also learning.
GenevieveHodge:Yes.
Rafaela Rolim:So it's a gift. It's a real gift.
GenevieveHodge:And so that was what? That was, like, ten years ago that you had that kind of experience, and then you've now grown that, and that's why you're now working with the IDGs as hubs. And
Rafaela Rolim:Yes. You've grown. Because then so then I started all those trainings in human development. And in the culture exchange, field, we we always use a lot of group dynamics and reflections and so on. So it's part of my job for the past eighteen years.
Rafaela Rolim:But the more I went into those those trainings, I also got more in touch with the corporate world, also because I received a lot of internship students. And I work mostly with US universities. I've had a lot of students from Finland, German, The Netherlands. But in terms of university partnerships, it's mostly with The US. And I also recognize that there are certain areas which are more concerned about social and environmental issues, areas in the world.
Rafaela Rolim:So I've always had this curiosity. Why are my students from Finland, Sweden more concerned about sustainability? Many of them are vegetarians, and they wanted to to go to secondhand shops. And and in comparison to Brazilians or Americans, I didn't find the same kind of, orientation.
GenevieveHodge:What challenges have you faced while pursuing your mission, and what strategies or lessons helped you overcome them?
Rafaela Rolim:I think big challenge is to perhaps be working with people who do not share the same concerns.
GenevieveHodge:Give me an example of that.
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. I think I have some partners who are not as oriented as myself towards sustainability, who have a different mindset. And I think what I've done in the past two years, especially after the pandemic, was to try to find those who are in the on the same page as I am, you know, through connecting with networks. So this is, all my work on on culture exchange, for example. Right now, I am one of the co chairs of a group of sustainability inside a a a big association of international educators.
Rafaela Rolim:I'm also the vice president for for The Americas for the climate action network of international educators because those are networks where universities, agencies who are looking into sustainability and climate change are there. They have already been touched by these issues. That was my strategy, to try to connect with those who are aligned in the vision because that's the programs I want to foster. I had this also big questioning pre pandemic, like, okay. I understand international education has huge carbon footprint because it involves international travel.
Rafaela Rolim:So if I am using this to reinforce business as usual, I'm not on the right track. It was a big turning point for you, your programming real. For me, for my students, I see it is a big turning point. We are expanding our vision. We are questioning and recognizing the values of our culture when we are abroad.
Rafaela Rolim:And so it it has a purpose and a a a big purpose, like a beautiful purpose. But now we have different challenges that we didn't have in the past, right, in terms of climate change, for example. So now we also need to design different program. It should not be the same type of programs as before. It should be programs that have an intention to help those students if they are creating this huge carbon footprint traveling abroad.
Rafaela Rolim:They learn things that will help them in their future career to create solutions. I think that's that's part of my path now to try to connect with those same vision.
GenevieveHodge:I love that, Raffaella. Also, you could be doing activities with them where they can see how to, you know, maybe go planting trees and helping to do reforestation. And I remember hearing about the Amazon that the Amazon is getting, like, football fields at a time for agriculture and cattle farms and things like that. Yeah. So it could be that, you know, your students help to maybe, I don't know, pay offsets or something like that to reduce the carbon footprint.
Rafaela Rolim:Yes. And increase awareness. There there are several things that we can do, like, to reduce the impact, but I also feel that the programs should be intentional. So this year, for example, I had a group of biology students, here in Florianopolis, and they were not familiar with the sustainable development goals, for example. You know?
Rafaela Rolim:It's not a priority in in many areas there. Yeah. So they were not familiar with it. But, the way I designed the program for example, they started by visiting, turtle conservation project here in the island where they learned that only 10% of the turtles survive until their adult life, and that's when they start to reproduce. So the main cause for their death is plastic pollution in the oceans and then when they get caught in the fishermen nets.
Rafaela Rolim:So they were touched by it because they're biology students. They were visitors in conservation conservation project. Then we went to do a monitoring of a beach to to see if there was any species hurt in the beach and so on. And we did, beach cleaning, and we collected 27 kilos of plastic. And then we had this reflection about our consumption habits Yeah.
Rafaela Rolim:And how does it impact on the ecosystem. And, also, what it do in our daily lives, we are contributing to the problem or helping to solve the problem. Right?
GenevieveHodge:They will be changed individuals.
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. No. They left, like, and now they sent me pictures. Oh, I saw these these things in the hotel I stayed. They were all wrapped in plastic.
Rafaela Rolim:And I said, did you submit them kind of a feedback? Oh, that's a good idea. And so they are now activists somehow. You know?
GenevieveHodge:Yes. I well, I did a similar thing just recently with my children because we were in, Egypt, as I was telling you, for a little family holiday, and it was beautiful where we were staying in Maas Alam and beautiful snorkeling with the fish and everything. As soon as you leave the hotel just down the beach, full of plastic, full of plastic. And so I actually took a garbage bag, and I was, like, starting to pick it up. And then I thought that because I was I was with my husband, and my kids were in, like, a kind of they were being looked after by a kids club.
GenevieveHodge:So the next day, I took them with me, and I said, kids, come with me. We're gonna go pick up rubbish on the beach. And off we went, and we picked up more. And then we met a Bedouin family, an Egyptian Bedouin family, and they started to help us pick up the rubbish too. And then when we got back to the hotel, I then, you know, made a complaint to the manager.
GenevieveHodge:I said, this is terrible, you guys. You know, you've got a beautiful hotel. You've got this beautiful reef, but then the plastic is just shocking. And he said, yeah. Yeah.
GenevieveHodge:Yeah. It's a government problem. I was like, okay. It's a government problem. Well, what are you guys doing about it?
GenevieveHodge:I was quite assertive. I think that's one of the benefits of the IDG ambassador program is it helps build the confidence to be more assertive in our activism. And I said, well, I wonder what else you could be doing. And so he then said, well, I could remove the plastic cups from the hotel because they have plastic re you know, one use plastic cups everywhere. And I said, please, just remove that.
GenevieveHodge:Like, you can replace that with paper cups or or washable cups and just simple little thing like that. He was like, oh, yeah. I can do that. I can do that. I was like, yeah.
GenevieveHodge:Of course. You can do that. Like, start they need to start thinking bigger. And then I made a presentation with my son so that he could show his classmates, and then his teacher was so happy to show the classmates. And it's like we're educating everyone that you don't have to sit by and just complain.
GenevieveHodge:You can do something about it.
Rafaela Rolim:Yes. Yes.
GenevieveHodge:Okay. Wonderful. Going back to the challenge, because I think it was really interesting how you said that, you know, you've got your I don't wanna say gender, but you've got your idea of what you're trying to achieve. But sometimes partners might not have the same kind of values or or goals as you. And so then you just are now being more selective with who you work with.
GenevieveHodge:And how would you say inner development has helped you, and how are you using the IDGs in your life and work?
Rafaela Rolim:So inner development has helped me a lot to live in accordance with my values and the impact I want to create and foster in the world. It helps me to make decisions. Is it aligned with my values or not aligned with my values? And then I can easily feel if it's the right way the right path to take or not. Of course, it has helped me a lot to cope with my emotions.
GenevieveHodge:What what do you mean cope with your emotions? Emotions about what?
Rafaela Rolim:I think, all of us as human beings will face, many different challenges in our life. Right? It could be a divorce. It could be losing a dear person. So I guess, the inner development also helps me to deal with these major existential questions in my in my life also, having tools to to cope with my emotions through the challenge I faced.
Rafaela Rolim:So what I've I've been describing, I've been working with human development for many, many years. And, what the inner development goals is proposing, it's not something new. Yeah. But it has created a language to make it easier to communicate why inner development is important to change our results. Right?
Rafaela Rolim:Because, our ancestors have been doing much more. And we if we look at, traditional communities like the indigenous, they are super highly connected with nature, and they do, you know, work all the time. But, it's hard sometimes. It's challenging to translate to those who are not open to it the importance of it. And I think that's where the IDGs help us.
Rafaela Rolim:The inner development goals have created a language framework that makes it easier to present it to the corporate world, to educational institutions. Data development goals is that narrative that I was missing. And it is very interesting because during the pandemic, also a big, fan of, the theory you from professor Arthur Scharmer from the MIT. I did the ULab in 02/2015. During the pandemic, I hosted, ULab hub for leadership for business transformation.
Rafaela Rolim:That was a team of the hub. And we were over, like, 45 people from 15 different countries joining weekly sessions to leave the TRU, to study the TRU together. Those people, despite of their nationalities, they shared a similar challenges. They said everything we leave here, deep listening, presence, mindfulness, and, speaking from the heart and being vulnerable in the safe space makes so much sense. But how can we sell that to the corporate world?
Rafaela Rolim:It's challenging. They think, we are hugging trees. I learned about the IDGs right after the pandemic through a Presencing Institute from TRU newsletter. And when I started to go through the website and learn more about it, I said, oh my god. That's it.
Rafaela Rolim:This challenge that people have been reporting for two years during our hub gatherings.
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GenevieveHodge:Kondo Sharma, one of the contributing founders of the IDGs, like one of the
Rafaela Rolim:He's one of the scientific advisers. Yeah. Yeah. He's one of the scientific advisers together with Peter Sanghi, also the Fifth District. Keegan.
Rafaela Rolim:Some thinking. Bob Keegan. Yes. Ahmed Monson.
GenevieveHodge:Yes. That's fantastic. Yeah. Didn't know that about you. I haven't done TheoryU yet.
GenevieveHodge:What would you say to me? Yeah. I know. I I'm excited about doing it. So what would you tell me?
GenevieveHodge:Someone that hasn't done it, what why should I do it? What what the listeners at home, why should they be interested in TheoryU?
Rafaela Rolim:So TheoryU is, also this framework or this path of, individual, organizational, and societal transformation. So what, they have done is, like, to create this pathway with exercises, with practices that will help you through a personal moment of transformation you are going through. Or if you are leading a transformation process inside a corporate organization. There are several tools for reflection, for accessing this creativity that is not limited by our beliefs, but that access the future that wants to emerge. Because when we are going through a transformational process, we often will look at the past experiences we had and the lessons we learned.
Rafaela Rolim:Right? This is a challenging moment in my life. What have I experienced? But past experience that are teaching us about the past and the current, situations that we are facing in the world are completely new to us. Say the pandemic, for example.
Rafaela Rolim:This the pandemic, no company had, like, a risk management plan to deal with the pandemic and send their employees home in from one night to the next day. You know?
GenevieveHodge:Yeah.
Rafaela Rolim:It was not something that we had experienced in the past. Same thing with the climate crisis now, the the events that we are facing, the climate events that we are facing. We need to learn from the future that wants to emerge, and this requires a different type of intelligence that is not on our mental level only, but that connects with our body, with the intelligence of our body, with the intelligence of the heart. This will also give us new information to make decisions. And the theory you has a lot of practice to help us on that.
Rafaela Rolim:The the courses are amazing, so I highly recommend that.
GenevieveHodge:Okay. I'm I'm certainly gonna sign up. I I think it's free, or it's very low cost to do. You can do it
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. It is it is free, through the Presence Institute platform nowadays. You can pay a small fee, maybe, like, $75 if you want the certificate. Yeah. But, yeah, the journey normally starts in September, I guess, the Ulive journey.
GenevieveHodge:Yeah. I might start it this year. Now you are an IDG hub coordinator or co coordinator with Pontus? Pontus. Pontus.
GenevieveHodge:And how do you guys manage such a because how many hubs are there now? Something like 600 hubs all around the world or something.
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. There are over 700 now. Goodness.
GenevieveHodge:How do you manage that in addition to everything else you're doing?
Rafaela Rolim:It's a very special role. I think the hubs and networks, for me, they are kind of the blood of the IDG, the blood that is running through the veins and, you know, spreading the word about, the inner development goals in so many different countries. So we need to create a space for them to connect with each other, to get inspired, to engage, and that's what we do in our role. So for me, it's a part time contract. I work one day a week for the IDG since August 2024.
Rafaela Rolim:It was an opportunity that came up because of my engagement with the IDGs, and I was selected. So we offer onboarding sessions for new hubs. We have, like, at about each six weeks, we have, all coordinators meetings for the coordinators across the globe to network, to learn what is new in the foundation. And, it's amazing because, I also get, so inspired by what other hubs are doing. Yeah.
Rafaela Rolim:And it's so so special to see how global we are. And I think it connects a lot of, things in my path, of my career path, because I also recognize that despite where people were born, they also share similar concerns and similar challenges. And, this sense that, we are human beings despite of our differences. It's something that nurtures us. We see that people are not concerned, and we don't have enough time.
Rafaela Rolim:And we often get on this, you know, like, a negative mood.
GenevieveHodge:Yeah.
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. So if if you find peers across the globe that are also doing meaningful work, it gives us the strength to continue. Yeah. Also, in the ambassador program, it's so nice, like, to have this international cohort and people doing Yes. Nice things.
Rafaela Rolim:And, it kinds of nurture the hope and optimism, the perseverance, those skills that are there. And it's setting the acting dimension of the IDGs, the courage and creativity. Can anyone join a hub? Like, just for
GenevieveHodge:the listeners at home, can anyone join a hub, or, like, how
Rafaela Rolim:do find them? Yes. In the IDG's website, maybe you can put that in the comments of the the podcast. The IDG, website, there is a tab for hubs and networks where people can find a list of hubs that are there already established across the globe. And so they can contact the hub coordinator and learn from them what when they are meeting, what they are doing.
GenevieveHodge:What they're
Rafaela Rolim:Or if not, they they can also start a hub. Yeah. They want they can start a hub.
GenevieveHodge:And and there's something like you need a minimum of three. Is that right?
Rafaela Rolim:Minimum minimum of three people. We recommend that they meet at least four times a year. And hubs are operating in different ways. There are community hubs which are there to spread the message of the IVGs to their community. There are hubs with our very specific focus, so hubs that are focused on mindfulness, who are inside, of a university, who are working with leadership development.
Rafaela Rolim:So according to what you do in your professional personal life or what is important to you, decide the the team and the focus of your hub. So there are hubs who meet in person, hubs who meet online. There are networks who are also working across different areas.
GenevieveHodge:Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice to hear from someone who actually is working with it about it because, yeah, I I think there there will be people at home that are curious to to see what it's all about, and this is one of the best ways to start, isn't it, and join a hub? Now back to you and a question for you. What is one action or mindset shift you believe anyone can adopt today to start making a positive impact in their own life, work, or community?
Rafaela Rolim:I think each person has to see what they can do. Right? But I think a a mindset that can orient things is moving from the ego to the ego.
GenevieveHodge:Ego to the equal?
Rafaela Rolim:Eco. Eco. Like the ecosystem.
GenevieveHodge:Oh, yeah.
Rafaela Rolim:The ecosystem is expanding from what is best for me or for my small nucleus, my family, to what is best for the global, for the ecosystem, for the world, for the environment. So I saw that happening with my exchange students, for example, because we worked with the iceberg model with them, and they were taught touched by the topic of plastic pollution. And so they were investigating. The first day, they said, oh, but plastic is part of our lives. We cannot avoid it.
Rafaela Rolim:And I said, well, but there are several products that we can choose that will reduce our impact. And when they were investigating this mindset shift, they they said, yes. We can move from this is easier, this is more practical to use plastic to what is best for the environment.
GenevieveHodge:Uh-huh.
Rafaela Rolim:And, and then you have a different conduct. You choose different products, wrapping. In this way, we also affect the industry. Right? Because that's what we reflected together.
Rafaela Rolim:If the industry notices that people are choosing more sustainable packaging, they will choose the package they are they use. Exactly. So we are part of the problem, and we are part of the solution.
GenevieveHodge:I love that. Yeah. It's like a the me to the we kind of my Yes. Yes. I love that.
GenevieveHodge:It's great. Thank you. And what provides you hope? You touched on it before with the IDG hubs. Is there anything else that you would like to share that, you know, really helps provide you that inner help hope?
GenevieveHodge:And feel free to include any links to to reports or anything that you've heard recently that you're just like, yes. That is what's giving me hope right now.
Rafaela Rolim:What provides me hope is seeing good actions, like social enterprises, organizations that are working towards solutions, and people who are engaged on meaningful work that are are really, like, focused on doing the better good. You know? This is what inspired me to feel that I'm not alone and to see nice things that are being done. And one source of inspiration for me is the World Economic Forum.
GenevieveHodge:Oh, yeah?
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. Because they they are always showcasing initiatives that are doing great things. You know? And this is like, oh, I feel so happy when I see in Australia, they are using recyclable plastic to design furniture. This is what brings me hope.
GenevieveHodge:I'm surprised that there's not more positive and inspiring news in this day and age because I don't know about how it is in Brazil, but when I look online, it's just doom and gloom. It's like, who has died and who is missing and all these you know, the fires. I'm so sorry to hear about the Los Angeles fires, but, you know, it's just like doom and gloom, the wars, and and it's just like, oh, I end up feeling so heavy every time I look at the news. Why does the news have to be so depressing? Why can't there be good news for once?
GenevieveHodge:Yeah. And and I actually found I I googled and found a website, and I think it's called thepositivenews.com or something. It's something so simple like that. And I've signed up for their newsletter now, and it had a summary of the twenty twenty four good news articles. And I was like, yes.
GenevieveHodge:You know, there were positive stories. Like, for example, China is now leading the way in renewable energy and, you know, things like that. It's like, oh, it just helps me to breathe a bit better.
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. I think sometimes when we get in touch with, negative news, we start to avoid it because we get stuck in that sadness and, feeling of, I cannot do anything and so on. So this is really like a con of, negative news. But that is a positive that is sometimes to help us feel the pain of the world. Right?
Rafaela Rolim:I feel the pain. When when I saw early this morning when I woke up the fires in LA, I saw a video in one of the channels and was like, oh my god. So sad it's happening again. You know? California has faced major, wildfires years ago, and it's continuously happening.
Rafaela Rolim:And I think so somehow it helps on raising awareness about the problem, but it shouldn't be the only channel. Right? Because once we and theory you, it's a process that help us on that because the first steps of theory u is really about looking at those patterns of thinking and behavior that we want to let go, recognizing and facing the pain and the sadness is part of this process. Okay. We are dealing with all these climate, events.
Rafaela Rolim:What are the behaviors that led us to this moment, and what do we need to let go? What do we need to shift? Mhmm. And what are the new possibilities? And then after we feel the pain and connect with these highest future possibilities, we start to act upon it.
Rafaela Rolim:And that's when the moment of, looking at good news and positive examples of of what's possible is helpful to prototype the new. So we shouldn't get stuck in the bad news. It's part of the process to feel the pain. But then we need to let go. Okay.
Rafaela Rolim:We reflect, but what it misses in the news, I think it's the reflection reflection piece because they just bring things that are hard to digest. What if they in the news, every day they ask, like, powerful questions as you were asking me, you know, and left the the people who are watching with these questions to reflect. How are you part of the problem, and what can you change in your daily lives?
GenevieveHodge:How are you part of this problem, and what are you doing to contribute to a better future?
Rafaela Rolim:Who am I, and what is my work to do? You know? Am I living in accordance to my values and the legacy I want to live in this planet? I think
GenevieveHodge:it's a new trend. We could start it, Rafaela.
Rafaela Rolim:Yeah. Just leave the news. After each each topic they present, finish with a a question, intriguing question. And while people go to the break, they just think about it. You know?
Rafaela Rolim:Because the reflection piece there is this, Brazilian researcher, Marcel Glaze, he says, the revolution we need now, it's not technical. It's not an issue of brilliant minds. You know? That's not what we need. We already have that.
Rafaela Rolim:What we need is a moral and philosophical shift. So the this reflection piece is what is missing in our daily lives. I love stop. We need to pause. We need to, slow the speed we are acting to reflect on the quality of the results we are harvesting through how we are acting in this world.
Rafaela Rolim:That's what is missing. People are so trained to be productive and do more, do more, do more because that's the mindset that is leading us in the corporate world, that we continue to to do things that are not creating positive impact because we are not reflecting. If you don't stop to reflect on it, you just continue to do the same. You won't let go old behaviors. You know?
GenevieveHodge:Rafaela, I'm going to pause you right there because I just love hearing every word you're saying, but I want that to sink in. I think it's a beautiful way to to finish what you've you know, to what we started today. And can you just say the name of the the the researcher that you just you just referred?
Rafaela Rolim:Marcel Glaze. Marcel
GenevieveHodge:Glaze. Yeah. Please send me the link, and I'll
Rafaela Rolim:and I'll include the link
GenevieveHodge:because that that sounds so interesting. And we definitely need to be building the morals and ethics of of all of us. I don't think we get trained enough or taught enough in schools or anything. Like, I don't know about in in Brazil, but especially in Australia. I know I'm in Italy now, but we're we're not really taught moral and ethical dilemmas and things like that.
GenevieveHodge:And because religion is is sort of almost like it's getting reduced a lot in the education system, where do you get this stuff? How do you learn about morals and ethics? Especially if your parents don't teach you, where do you learn it? So I think that's a great, great question for the audience to consider and how we can all, yeah, be part of the solution. So I've got a wild question here that was asked by our guest, Eva Ratton, and she would like to know, what is your message and to what system?
Rafaela Rolim:I think my message would be to business leaders, and it would be a question. And the question is, what do you care about, and how does it reflect on what you are doing?
GenevieveHodge:Okay. So that's a question to business leaders, and let's see if anyone comments. It will be interesting to hear.
Rafaela Rolim:Otherwise, it will be a
GenevieveHodge:reflective question that they can ask them.
Rafaela Rolim:Ask themselves. Perhaps they won't have that ready to answer, but I think it's a good question because I feel the energy of caring is so important, like, to care about things. You know? And how do we express that care through our actions? Fantastic.
GenevieveHodge:Love it. Thank you. And I'll get your question, and and I'll ask the next speaker person your question. And, Rafaela, thank you so much for coming on the show today, and good luck with everything. Have you got any final words to say?
Rafaela Rolim:Thank you for the invitation, and I hope this conversation inspires others in whatever they do. So congratulations for the initiative.
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